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Annan siin tutvumiseks ühe inglisekeelse loo - LUGU SELLINE

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Covert War for Earth’s Sovereignty


©2008 Ted Twietmeyer

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Although this will be yet another disturbing article for some, data is data. This report is not intended as fear-mongering, but intended to create a better awareness of the end game of ET. We have a serious problem on our hands and apparently Uncle Sam is doing very little to stop it, perhaps intentionally. Some of what you will read here will be graphic to those with a weak stomach, but this is required to present the evidence as it is.



It’s time we stopped kidding ourselves about those “lights in the sky.” If anyone even remotely thinks that all UFOs are just advanced Earth aircraft, from our future or that they are simply aliens on a sight-seeing tour, they need to have their head examined... perhaps by a veterinarian.



Recent events combined with new research illustrates that there is a very real and existing threat to Earth’s sovereignty. It may be the real reason why the UK is no longer hiding what is taking place. Perhaps the UK government already knows that out-right war is eminent.



There are those who proclaim that the Second Coming will save the “chosen ones” from a great conflict on Earth. Yet Bible thumpers have conveniently forgotten numerous Biblical statements that contradict the claims of being saved from the terror that’s coming. (Some have labeled it “The Rapture.”wink There are also people who state that a fake second coming will be staged as a way to force everyone to bow down and worship globalism.



My response to those who have written me about all these theories and others as absolute fact is quite simple – forget about it and stay focused on what’s of the greatest importance – fighting for Earth’s sovereignty! Once Earth loses its sovereignty will never get it back.



Recent research has revealed that spacecraft need to be hovering over a home to teleport an abductee. Abductions are also taking place in broad daylight, both in homes and in vehicles. Even bad weather makes no difference - a recent abduction took place in the middle of a thunderstorm. It is quite possible that some of the space vehicles John Walson in the UK has videotaped above Earth may be related to the on-going abduction problem. Teleporting of abductees to and from Earth requires high precision, advanced technology. But if other races have the technology to reach Earth they probably also have that technological capability as well.



Consider for a moment if one could actually “see” invisible teleport beams as shafts of light. What you would see would be briefly flashing beams of light continuously happening all around the Earth, 24/7 with each beam of light representing someone being taken or returned. Some people I’ve researched are now being taken several times a week. I’ve been researching one couple who have been taken twice in a twelve hour period, on more than one occasion. (The evidence which discovered this cannot be revealed as there is no desire to give any aid to the enemy.)



PHYSICAL EVIDENCE



In the case of the couple frequently abducted (which I’ve written about before in two other articles) the underside of the roof (which is made of plywood) has become extremely darkened and discolored. There is a 24” layer of fiberglass insulation throughout the attic and above their bedroom. The couple’s home is a little over 20 years old, but there are no roof leaks to cause discoloration. Yet nowhere else in the 1200 sq. ft. attic is dark, discolored plywood present. Their attic is fully accessible and covers the entire living area of their one story home.



I personally inspected the underside of their entire roof in that attic space. This would strongly rule out a coincidence of naturally dark plywood only over the bedroom area. It appears that the teleport process appears to have an effect on some building materials over time. Perhaps others who suspect they are frequently abducted should also look at the underside of their roof over bedroom areas. It is not yet known how many teleports are required to discolor plywood, and whether or not the effect on wood is linear.



I’ve been emailed by many apparently rational people who formerly never believed much of anything regarding the seriousness of the abduction problem. I use the word formerly here, because that is how they believed until abduction touched their life. One common thread I’ve found with people is that once abduction happens to them or they witness it, their opinions about friendly alien life change forever.



Like it or not, every single human being is on the front line of the currently covert war – a war for the sovereignty of the entire planet. In traditional warfare there are front battle lines and places to retreat periodically for R&R (rest and relaxation.) Iraq and Afghanistan have been described as wars where the entire country is a battle front. But if one travels far enough (such as to another country) there will still be a place where soldiers can enjoy R&R to mentally recharge.



The real truth is that Iraq, Afghanistan and all other wars on Earth are just small conflicts taking place INSIDE a far bigger war. That war is to save Earth from a permanent takeover. It’s a big universe out there, with countless races far older than us and research shows that many of them are far more aggressive and ruthless than human beings may ever be. This is not to say all alien races are that way – but those that are that way are of prime concern to us, for they are the threat to deal with.



With day to day problems and misery caused by government leaders crazed with quick power based on synthesized fear, it’s quite easy to forget about the real issue of basic freedom at hand. If we lose our freedom here on Earth what’s left in life to live for?



Here are a few of the possibilities of trying to live without freedom:



* No ability to travel anywhere whenever you want

* No freedom of worship

* No way to feel secure ever again from invasion, even with doors locked and bolted

* No freedom for your children to chose their destiny in life

* No freedom of speech or even freedom of thought for fear of imprisonment

* Fear of being picked up at any time, anywhere and never seeing anyone ever again

* Suddenly you cannot feed your family ever again when currency completely goes electronic and you are on uncle’s red list

* Fear of losing your job unexpectedly without any warning or recourse

* Fear of losing your home in the dead of winter and being tossed out on the street

* Being defenseless when all your firearms are taken away and you cannot replace them

* Having your children permanently confiscated and become government property, and never see them again

* Being unable to stop the government from breaking up your family

* Unable to obtain needed medications to save your life or someone else’s life

* Unable to have utilities when the government forbids you to have them

* Spend the remainder of your life in a prison camp being tortured to death

* Being shot on sight simply because you’re out on the street or in your own yard



Any one of these items is bad enough. Now imagine all of them thrown at you at nearly the same time.



This only scratches the surface of how bad it can get. Now add to all this stress what happens if an alien force suddenly takes over Earth. It’s quite possible they could do it with technology so advanced that weapons systems simply become inoperative. The overt war would be over without a single shot being fired.



So why hasn’t this happened yet? We tend to look at war from the one standpoint we know, but an extraterrestrial enemy may view it completely differently. On Earth, an invading nation takes over and then rebuilds the invaded country. Japan and Iraq are two such examples. But what if the goal of ET is to keep the planet and infrastructure intact?



Some form of infrastructure is required to maintain billions of human lives – especially if the humans on a planet are to be used as a resource. In a laboratory run by humans, scientists use the name “Vivarium” for the live animal storage area. ET covertly abducts people and uses them for various purposes and returns them. This actually makes far more sense than executing outright warfare on Earth. In effect, the entire planet IS a Vivarium to ET. It’s almost a certainty that replacements for humans would also be created and covertly inserted into key government positions to help ET gain control. In a scenario like this, their covert war could be won without a single shot fired.



To win a war with firing a single shot is similar to the old expression, “Don’t damage the merchandise.”



We are way past the point of Earth being a “Grand Experiment” as some have called it. Perhaps for some ET races they are in the early stages of exploration. But they are not the most serious threat we face. For other ET races, we are now in a covert state of warfare. Events of 2001 may have been executed as an overt cover for this war, and a public excuse to form the Department of Homeland Security (DHS.). DHS may be the only visible organization we will see to fight a war against ET for some time. It could also explain why the head of DHS is Russian and no one in government cares, even though the cold war is heating up again. A secret DHS agenda may be about fighting ET than other countries on Earth – the outside threat which Ronald Reagan openly described in several speeches.



THOSE THAT WON’T FACE WHAT’S HAPPENING



I’ve had endless, well-meaning people email me stating that abductees can simply say “no” to their abductors. Or invoke God to stop it. I’m here to tell you that these techniques have been tried before many times by many people, including God-fearing Christian people and they simply do not work for people in the vast majority of cases. I’d like to slap that person silly who started this rumor that God will stop all abductions if we just ask him to. Nothing could be further from the truth.



Let’s be honest here - God hasn’t interfered and stopped this problem any more than he stopped Stalin, Hitler, Japan, Saddam and numerous other evil people and countries from killing many millions of innocent people. Are we supposed to think that all those millions of innocents didn’t pray for help? This doesn’t mean that God doesn’t exist – it simply means that on this problem he’s not stopping it just because we want him to.



There are also those who claim “it’s all fiction and merely the result of advanced mind control.” These same people are speechless when physical evidence is left behind, much of it impossible to fake. And there has been plenty of that as well.



An army colonel once told me years ago, “Every war is won before it’s ever fought.” Does this also apply to a war with an outside force? I’m not so sure it does. I do know this much – those who think this should consider the list I provided above that shows just some of the consequences of NOT fighting this takeover. Things are only bound to get worse, not better for the foreseeable future if we do nothing. There is nothing left to lose.



My research has also definitively found that a human element on the ground is involved on the side of ET, military or otherwise. Although I do not know all the details regarding the depth of involvement or exactly who they are, it’s clear they exist and are a part of the problem with regard to at least some of the abductions which are taking place. [3]



WHAT LIFE IS LIKE FOR COUNTLESS ABDUCTEES AROUND EARTH



It’s important to put into perspective the incredibly detrimental effects that frequent abductions have in people’s lives.



Imagine coming home from work exhausted from a difficult day. You eat dinner and go to bed around midnight. About an hour after you go to bed, someone awakens you and keeps you up all night. About 5AM you get to go to bed but cannot sleep. At 6AM when the alarm clock goes off, you must arise to start your day and leave for an 8 hour shift. Off to work you go with only about 2 hours of sleep.



Then evening comes again, you eat and go back to bed. This same process that keeps you awake through most of the night happens again and again. Over and over, day after day, week after week, month after month you are awake all night. Now imagine this taking place almost every day of the week, while trying to keep a full-time job. Now imagine this misery going on into years. Get the idea? Could you stay awake on the road or all day at work? It’s not unlike sleep deprivation torture which is designed to wear someone down to nothing.



The only real difference between the above description and abductees is that in most cases, those taken at night have no idea they have been up and around all night. And it isn’t just about being awake “up there” – it’s also a night filled with terror. Billy Meier’s alien visitation stories describe his ET contact as caring, warm and friendly. But this is a very small percentage of what abductees experience and far from the typical experiences abductees are reporting.



Now we add to all this exhaustion, misery and complexity the very real fact that these abductions MAY NEVER END for these people. Research also shows that in almost every case, there is no such thing as only one abduction. The nightly nightmare will probably continue to wreck the lives of those taken until the day they die. When implants have been removed, new implants are inserted again during the next abduction. Witnesses have stated that even moving across country didn’t stop it, perhaps because they already have implants so their abductors (ET or human) can find them.



Many abductees are treated far worse than the way any human scientists treat lab animals. Why? Here are more facts: Scientists often work on grants of several hundred thousand dollars or even less, but must still pay about $30k for each adult Rhesus monkey used in research. Each experiment requires several animals to insure accuracy of experimental results. It can require months to put any new monkey through the quarantine waiting period and several more months to train an animal for cognitive research science.



For any race (ET or human) performing abductions of human beings pay nothing for their test subjects, and they never have to wait for a quarantine period. Research has found that some races feed off of strong induced human emotions of fear, depression and terror and collect the resulting spiritual energy. It’s like a form of vampirism.



There are also cases of medical mystery, such as elderly people that suddenly acquire a fatal disease like HIV without blood transfusions or intercourse. Technically, it is impossible to contract HIV without some form of physical contact. There are also cases of strange and rare cancers appearing in some abduction victims. On Earth, researchers induce diseases in lab animals to test various drugs, vaccines and treatments before progressing to humans. Further details on alien-induced diseases in humans are outside the scope of this report although strong evidence does exist for this.



WAR WOUNDS

In wars on Earth we often think of missiles, mortars, bullets, bombs and landmines as sources of pain and life-long suffering. In this battle for Earth’s sovereignty which is already underway, war wounds are of a different nature but all too real. For the present this is still a covert war. Next, we will examine two abductees that demonstrate the ruthlessness of some abductors.



There is considerable ridicule of abductees by both the public and media by joking about being probed. However, there is no levity about the harsh reality of this topic. We will examine the nightmare of one abductee, which we’ll call Steve to preserve his anonymity. It began one day when Steve made a routine visit to the bathroom one morning to have a bowel movement.



While having the bowel movement Steve described a searing, burning pain which he never experienced before in his life. He stated it made him scream out and weep in agony, but it only increased in intensity. Wiping himself when his bowel movement was finished resulted in even more excruciating pain. What he saw next horrified him – the toilet paper was covered in fresh RED BLOOD and deep red blood colored all the water in the toilet. He had never bled before like this in his life.



Red blood in the stool is often a sign of cancer. Since feces are somewhat acidic, it irritates exposed nerved endings and blood vessels causing intense pain. Steve describes the pain as “Something like having a red-hot iron inserted into my rectum. It was off the scale in intensity.” Yet Steve told me his normal bowel movements were never large enough to tear the anal region.



A colonoscopy is a medical procedure performed by a surgeon, who inserts a very long optical instrument into the rectum under anesthesia to examine the entire length of the large intestine. Steve had just had a colonoscopy only 3 months before, and his colon was found to be in such good health his doctor told him not to return for 5 years. Whenever any problem is discovered and repaired during a colonoscopy, even just one polyp, doctors tell the patient to return in 12 months for another exam. Polyps can be a sign of a pre-cancerous condition.



Steve called to make an appointment to see his general doctor, but was instead immediately told to return to his colonoscopy doctor. After examining Steve the doctor told him, “You have an anal fissure about 5” long. We don’t have any idea where these come from, but they just happen to people. There’s isn’t much we can do about it. These things have to heal on their own, so just keep your bowels loose until it heals.” His general physician basically stated the same thing about anal fissures describing them as “The luck of the draw” and that there is no known reason for them to suddenly form.



Are we to believe that the rectum and part of the intestine just opens up and splits…for no reason in an otherwise healthy individual? Yet people stretch their skin during exercise and nothing happens, or can place huge oversize objects in their mouths and the tissues do not tear. Yet the rectum, which throughout life can dilate up to two inches for an oversize stool, splits for no reason even though no such stool was passed? Does this make logical sense?



Steve left the office and followed the doctor’s instructions. He told me that it took him almost six weeks for his fissure to even start to heal and stop bleeding. He stated recently that whenever he’s been abducted again, soreness returns and blood flows again the next day.



People often make jokes about anal probes and alien abductions not realizing the true gravity of what happens when this procedure is done wrong. ET isn’t perfect…and even sometimes hurts people intentionally. And there is at least one witness to back this up.



Dr. James Mortellaro is also an abductee. He has openly published his story on rense.com including the emergency room doctor’s report, so no confidence is being broken here. In his case, the bladder was bruised on the inside. This is something physically impossible to do outside of an operating room and can only be done by misusing special instruments to reach the inside of the bladder. This would be considered malpractice when done by a surgeon.



Dr. Mortellaro awoke one morning bleeding in the bed, and the hospital ran a number of tests to determine what was wrong. Fortunately his damage healed after several days. It took hypnosis to find out how this happened to him. He was not abducted from his bed, but both he and his van he was in were taken aboard a spacecraft. Dr. Mortellaro told me that when he resisted being on the procedure table and sat up aboard the spacecraft, an alien apparently in charge of the procedure or examination being performed told the other one, “Hurt him.” Dr. Mortellaro has posted the emergency room doctor’s report in an article on rense.com. [1]



Apparently bladder damage was his punishment for merely sitting up on the table and not being docile like a cooperative lab animal. Clearly this evidence illustrates a complete disregard and hostility that at least some of these beings have for humans. Dr. Mortellaro returned to the scene of the abduction, and found his van’s tire marks in the field that came to an abrupt end where the abduction took place.



It was once said that from time to time blood will need to be shed to water the tree of freedom. There is no reason to think that this principle strictly applies to maintain freedom in countries regarding Earthly matters, as a means of protection from a rising dictatorship or tyranny. The shedding of blood will also apply to those of us fighting an attempt to take over our planet. In the case of Steve and Dr. Mortellaro, they have already been on the front lines of this battle and shed their own blood. Who could know how many thousands of even millions of other human beings have done the same thing?



What’s interesting is that even though they physically hurt Dr. Mortellaro and Steve (and probably countless other people) their abductors did not kill them. Apparently there may be restraining rules to control the takeover. It may also be that these same rules force ET to return abductees to their homes or back to vehicles where they were found. But there are cases where people are not returned to the location they were taken from, such as the abduction story of Travis Walton of Snowflake, Arizona made famous by the film “Fire in the Sky.”



Travis Walton was abducted by a UFO in a forest in front of several other friends one night and returned on the side of a road, many miles away and several days later stark naked. His abduction included the insertion of a probe into the corner of his eye, and another probe inserted a tracking device up through the nose to reach the brain. (Most of these implants found on X-rays are irretrievable when situated at the base of the brain. Some of these implants later fall out of the nose.) Travis’ implant will tag him for life. It almost guaranty he will be covertly abducted on a regular basis.



TERRAFORMING EARTH



We now know that global warming is NOT completely caused by modern civilization but by changes in the Sun itself. The US Army finally admitted this in 2008, after 32,000 scientists signed a statement absolving carbon dioxide of all the blame. Perhaps the climate of our planet is being changed to make it more suitable for another race. It would be petty-minded and ignorant to categorically believe that any ET race which has space travel technology advanced enough to reach Earth would never have the ability to alter the function of a star like our Sun.



We already know that our Sun is now behaving quite differently in this 11 year solar cycle than in past solar cycles. Our nearest star is a boiling, chaotic mass. Yet my research recently discovered complex and intricate 24 hour patterns of activity repeated accurately over a three day period. [2]



This clearly indicated some form of intelligence and technology must be involved in this manipulation, which may or may not be Earth based. It may be possible the NASA GOES satellite data was manipulated and not the Sun itself for unknown reasons. However, is it merely a coincidence these intricately repeated X-ray, electron and magnetic patterns also took place during this unusual solar cycle? Yet these patterns have never been seen in at least the past 15 years! I know this for a fact as I’ve monitored the solar activity daily for 15 years every day, even while on vacation.



Are climate changes we are experiencing the visible results of efforts by another race(s) in anticipation of winning the covert war and taking over Earth? That isn’t yet known for sure, but it certainly is a real possibility until proven otherwise.



THERE IS NO CHOICE



This war to fight an attempted takeover is real. Abductions are as real as the monitor you are reading this on. Even though it isn’t in mainstream media at this time, one day it will become common knowledge when the battle is waged out in the open. The Belgium government was among the first to proclaim their airspace has been repeatedly violated and they are steadfastly defending it and pursuing UFOs. Since that announcement many years ago other countries have apparently followed their example of openness and now discuss them as well.



Abduction problems that wreck people’s lives and send them into a downward spiral using exhaustion and terror are a reality. The longer we wait to fight the invasion and attempted takeover, the worse life on Earth will get. At some point resistance will no longer be possible unless another alien race comes to our aid. But it would be foolish to hold one’s breath waiting for help to arrive.



Any alien race interfering in another’s activity is almost certain to be seen as an act of war. Is there another advanced race that will risk war to save us? Time will tell.



Perhaps the covert war is the result of ET fearing revenge of Earth’s massive population of eight billion. Another aspect of this is that an overt war with ET could quickly result in millions to billions of dead human beings, and bring with it lethal diseases created by decaying corpses that will endanger survivors and possibly ET life-forms.



Nuclear attacks or nuclear detonations will contaminate our planet for countless millennia, almost certainly making it an unfit place for any race to live except for insects and bacteria. Perhaps a real-life doomsday system to destroy all of Earth already exists that will insure this happens, but we shall not know about it until it’s far too late.



If we do nothing to fight the ET takeover, we will to lose Earth and face the possibility of being eradicated. We may be viewed by ET after a takeover as nothing more than an indigenous pest, with them having the same regard for us that we already have for cockroaches. A great deal of time and effort has been expended by those races already here. It will be only through dedicated efforts of all humans on the entire planet resisting the takeover that might allow our sovereignty to remain intact.



Doing nothing to resist the takeover is an expression of submission. It will be us or them in the end. To date, there are no indications of peaceful coexistence and as a race Earth would foolishness to expect it. We have already been invaded, pure and simple.



Here’s that list again showing a few of the implications of doing nothing, which will inevitably allow ET to take control of Earth:



* No ability to travel anywhere whenever you want

* No freedom of worship

* No way to feel secure ever again from invasion, even with doors locked and bolted

* No freedom for your children to chose their destiny in life

* No freedom of speech or even freedom of thought for fear of imprisonment

* Fear of being picked up at any time, anywhere and never seeing anyone ever again

* Suddenly you cannot feed your family ever again when currency completely goes electronic and you are on uncle’s red list

* Fear of losing your job unexpectedly without any warning or recourse

* Fear of losing your home in the dead of winter and being tossed out on the street

* Being defenseless when all your firearms are taken away and you cannot replace them

* Having your children permanently confiscated and become government property, and never see them again

* Being unable to stop the government from breaking up your family

* Unable to obtain needed medications to save your life or someone else’s life

* Unable to have utilities when the government forbids you to have them

* Spend the remainder of your life in a prison camp being tortured to death

* Being shot on sight simply because you’re out on the street or in your own yard



Prison camps will have added detainees as food riots break out as the war takes on an overt nature and initial panic sets in. If ET invades the population with their people, anyone can become a suspect and no one will be safe from suspicion.



When testing confirms successful methods to stop abductions (already underway) the results will be shared with readers. One method developed several years ago involves a shielded hat made from layers of conductive plastic material. However, that technique may not be effective against current abduction methods now being used which involve instantaneous teleporting. Research has shown that local space-time is affected by the teleportation process, which by necessity will interfere with the continuum. Video cameras and other electronics are rendered inoperative during the event.



Ted Twietmeyer

Data4science.net



[1] – Dr. Mortellaro’s story - http://www.rense.com/general46/dont.htm

[2] – Solar manipulation discovery - http://data4science.net/essays.php?EssayID=755

[3] – Abducted couple report - http://data4science.net/essays.php?EssayID=807

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Jälle üls materjal, mille linki ma avada ei suuda. Nii karm materjal, et võetakse kärmelt maha, kui levitama hakkad? : P - See siis esimese postituse kota.

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On siis juba kinni mätsitud ametlik sait või on süü minu internetipakkujas, kuid sinu antud link ei avane.
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Laadis ligi 15min aga tegi hetkel veel lahti - tere tulemast vabasse internetti :-)

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Mul ei õnnestunud ka sinna lehtedele minna.Sama materjal peaks asuma ka mujal, sest ma olen seda kunagi näinud.Seda infot on varem jupp haaval levitatud. Sellepärast see tuttav oligi.
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Mul ka enam lahti ei tee. Homme üritan siia lisada pildi mis artiklist tegin , näeme mis saab.


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Sama jutt on Filmis 1984,mille lingi leiate teema alt.
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Tõsiselt kummaline lugu selle lingiga. Minul näiteks paneb FF ise seda tabi kinni vahetevahel, kui mujale kiigata.

Leht iseenesest nii kaua ei tohiks laadida. Server on töökorras ning ping on isegi tüki maad väiksem, kui mõni muu leht, mida testina kasutasin (samuti usast).

Seega ei oskagi miskit targemat kosta - kas lehte häkitakse või on server üle koormatud? See aga ei seleta väga normaalset pingimist.

Kõrgeim äratundmine on teada saamine, et tegelikkuses olid pidevalt selle kõrgeima äratundmise sees.
Iga hetk ja iga kogemus, mis sa saavutad on ideaalne, täiuslik, kordumatu
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Noh, jah, vandenõuteooriaid on alati igasuguseid olnud, ei näe ühtki veenvat argumenti mis seda konkreetset teooriat teiste seast esile tõstaks.
Ja see päikesesüsteemi soojenemise jutt. Pigem tõstab maa keskmist temperatuuri ikka ohjeldamatu fossiilsete kütuste põletamine ja muu säärane tegevus juba alates industriaalajastust. Ja päikese aktiivsus on tsükliline, mis küll jah, aktiviseerub märgatavalt mida aeg edasi päikese kustumise ehk läbipõlemise poole, kuid sinna on veel miljardeid aastaid aega.
Ehk siis mina küll seda juttu tõe pähe ei võta, see on ikka selline spekulatsioonimaiku asi..
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Tsitaat:Algselt postitas: hullkeel
Noh, jah, vandenõuteooriaid on alati igasuguseid olnud, ei näe ühtki veenvat argumenti mis seda konkreetset teooriat teiste seast esile tõstaks.
Kui sa tahad vandenõuteooriate seast seda teooriat esile tõsta, siis jääb mulje nagu sa tahad midagi, mis selle teema igasugu muu jama seast eristaks.
Tegelikult on see teema osa sellest teisest jamast ja küsimus on rohkem selles, mida sina jamaks ja mida sa asjalikuks pead. Minul ei teki näiteks küll mingit vajadust seda kuskile esile tõsta, sest palju nn teooriad osutuvad praktikaks. Pigem tekib küsimus kui hästi ma oskan seda kildu üldisesse mosaiiki sobitada ja kui hästi ta üldse sobib sinna. Kui ma eeldaks, et üldiselt on sellised asjad üks jura, siis ma mingil juhul ei hakkaks neid sügavamalt uurima. Kui ma sügavamalt ei uuri, siis pole mul lihtsalt mosaiiki, kuhu seda paigutada. Koolide ja meedia poolt pakutavasse mosaiiki sellise kujuga tükid ju üldse ei sobi ning seega pean selle huvitava asja prügikasti viskama.
Tsitaat:Ja see päikesesüsteemi soojenemise jutt. Pigem tõstab maa keskmist temperatuuri ikka ohjeldamatu fossiilsete kütuste põletamine ja muu säärane tegevus juba alates industriaalajastust.
Miks pigem see? Kuna tundub loogiline, sest telekas ja lehtedes kirjutatakse nii? Kuuekümnendatel näiteks kliima jahenes, mis sest et fossiilkütuseid juba mitusada aastat põletatud ning pärast II maailmasõda hakkas suurem tootmine. Kui mõõdetakse teiste planeetide temperatuure ja see ka kasvab vaikselt, siis pole midagu spekuleerida. Võib aint mõelda, et kes kus mis andmed said, aga seda kõige puhul, mitte ainult üldtuntud tõdele vasturääkiva puhul.
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Thorondor, üldiselt suhtun ma sellisesse uute infosse suure huviga, kuid katsun kõiki esitatud argumente siiski esmalt kaine mõistusega (loe:teaduslikust vaatevinklist) kaaluda, hoolimata sellest, et ma suur ufoloogiahuviline olen ja ise pahatihti "tonti seal näen kus seda tegelikult ei ole".
Aga kliima soojenemise koha pealt on selles konkreetses teemas esitatud teooria midagi täiesti uut ja selles osas on sul Thorondor täiesti õigus, et ilma asjasse süvenemata seda teooriat kohe "prügikasti" visata ei tasuks. Kuid siinkohal ongi niipalju vastamata küsimusi, et kindlat seisukohta on väga raske võtta. Nimelt ei ole teadlased veel isegi päris täpselt päikese toimemehhanismidest ja ka päikese aktiivsuse perioodilisusest aru saanud. Nii et kui üks osapool ütleb mulle praegu, et päikesesüsteem soojeneb maaväliste tsivilisatsioonide tegevuse tulemusena, kuid teine osapool ütleb, et päikesesüsteem soojeneb päikeses toimuvate termo-, tuuma- või misiganes füüsikaliste protsesside tulemusena mis ongi ühe täiesti tavalise tähe üheks elutsükliks, siis hetkel puuduvad mul objektiivsed tõendid seisukohta võtmaks, et kumb räägib õigust. Kuigi kaldun siiski teadlastega nõustuma, kuid see pole minu lõplik seisukoht.
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Kaine mõistus ja teaduslik vaatevinkel ei ole juba ammu enam sünonüümid.

Tegelikult on kõik lihtne aga me pole sellest veel aru saanud ...
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Kaine mõistus ja teaduslik vaatevinkel ei ole juba ammu enam sünonüümid.
Albert Einsteini arvas, et pole teadlasel hullemat puudust, kui fantaasiapuudus. Ega see (fantaasia) vist eriti "kaine mõistusega" kokku sobi, jah.
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Kui nii on,siis pole ime,miks ma pea iga kuu aja tagant saan mingitelt olenditelt infot läbi telepaatia.Kusjuures ma näen nende planeeti väga hästi,kui sealt lahkun.Samamoodi nagu ma näen väga tihti nende planeeti,kui ma seda külastan.Kusjuures imelikul kombel kutsuvad nad sedas A baasiks.

Loodan,et see ei tundu hullumeelsusena.Kuid see antud puhul on tõsi.

Paranormaalsus on tihtipeale seotud normaalsusega.St: Alati on olemas miskit,mida me ei taju,aga mis tegelt on olemas.Ja tihtipeale on see meie nina all.
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Ma pigem kaldun arvama et tegu en kellegi üli arenenud fantaasiaga ! Kui olekski tulnukatel selline plaan meie planeet hõivata siis olex neil kindlast vastav tehnoloogia olemas et see kohe üle võtta mitte jaurata mingi kliima soojendamisega. Kliiimat saab ka muud moodi soojendada muutes maa magnet välja nõrgemaks mis omakorda muudab osooni kihi õhemaks ja voilaa ongi kuuma kui palju. Ja inimesed ka maalt pühitud.
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Kuule noltsik - kogu lugupidamise juures mida ma sinu vastu tunnen ajan siiski "sõrad vastu" ja ütlen - ära ürita panna ennast .ende kingadesse kellega sa isegi kohtunud ei ole. Meil ju poel õrna aimugi millised moraalsed reeglid neil kehtivad. Millistest ühiskonna arengus reeglitest ja seadustest. Seega väita, et nemad teeksid nii ja naa on suurim naiivsus. Rüüpa klaas piima ja võta rahulikumalt Smile

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Muidugi ei saa me nende kohta midagi rääkida aga milleks siis nendest üldse rääkida? Me ju ei tea nendest midagi! Räägime ju selle pärast eh huvitab ja kui huvitab siis võib ju vabalt oma arvamust jagada . Ise asi on see kui tõsiselt keegi seda arvamust võtab . Kõikk ei saagi ju igas asjas üksmeelel olla.
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Ega siin ei ole muud kui aeg annab arutust. Ootame ja näeme, kas muutub siis midagi siin maailmas.
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Jah ootame maagilist kuupäeva 21.12.2011 Laugh
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Kuule noltsik - kogu lugupidamise juures mida ma sinu vastu tunnen ajan siiski "sõrad vastu" ja ütlen - ära ürita panna ennast .ende kingadesse kellega sa isegi kohtunud ei ole. Meil ju poel õrna aimugi millised moraalsed reeglid neil kehtivad. Millistest ühiskonna arengus reeglitest ja seadustest. Seega väita, et nemad teeksid nii ja naa on suurim naiivsus. Rüüpa klaas piima ja võta rahulikumalt Smile
Väga õige. Ja enamgi veel - vaevalt on meil aimu ja oskame me arvata, mida selline "hõivamine" üldse tähendada võiks või mis eesmärkidel seda toimetatakse. Või kas üldse "hõivamine" ja "vallutamine" on need parimad sõnad inimleksikast, mille abil "tulnukate"* eesmärke kirjeldada. (Sama kahtlased on muidugi ka "vennalik abi", "arendamine" jms.) Väga tõenäoliselt on "tulnukate" tegevus ja selle eesmärgid tohutult kaugel nendest vallutustest, mida inimlased isekeskis (sõjalisel või muul teel) korda on saatnud kas siis ideoloogilistel või materiaalsetel, päramiselt ikka materiaalsetel (ressursid) põhjustel. Sest tegelikult on meile teadmata isegi "tulnukate" füüsiline olemus, mis siis veel muust rääkida! Aga piima on kindlasti kasulik juua.
* Ei hakka siinkohal üle kordama, miks ma selle sõna juures järjekindlalt jutumärke kasutan, paaris kohas foorumis olen seda varem teinud.
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Tsitaat:Algselt postitas: noltsik
Kliiimat saab ka muud moodi soojendada muutes maa magnet välja nõrgemaks mis omakorda muudab osooni kihi õhemaks.
Võib-olla nad juba kaalutlesid seda varianti ning jõudsid järeldusele, et ei ole hea nii. Selline asi ikka mõeldakse põhjalikult läbi ja me ei mõtle piimaklaasi taga seda nagu naksti välja. Veel vähem, paremini kui nemad.
Minu teada põhjustab osoonikihi õhenemine UV kiirguse suurenemist, mis ei tundu eriti hea asi. Ma ei saa jälle spekuleerida, kuna ma ei tea, äkki neil teistsugune nahk. Lindudele loomadele see ka minu teada ei meeldi. Aga jällegi, äkki neil pole vaja teisi olendeid. Ja kõge lõpus võib äkki püksi tulla : )
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Tsitaat:Algselt postitas noltsik
Jah ootame maagilist kuupäeva 21.12.2011 Laugh
2012*

All great truths begin as blasphemies.
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Härra Ted Twietmeyer-ilt uusim ajude gümnastika - virtuaalne reaalsus ja ajahüpped: http://rense.com/general86/jump.htm

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Mõningane kolamine ajas näitab, et nn tähtedesõda Maa orbiidil pole üldse õige mõiste, nii kaua kuni on olnud inimene on siin ringi kolanud ka teised tsivilisatsioonid, ühe eredama mälestusmärgi endi tegemistest ja omaniku peremärgi on jätnud Egiptusesse Orioni impeerium, kes valmistas kõrgtehnoloogiaga kuus Püramiidi ja paigutas nad Orioni tähtkujuna maapinnale.
See märk pole ju üldse mõeldud inimestele vaid teistele võõrtsivilisatsioonidele.
Ja kõiki kolme piiblitsivilisatsiooni juhtival reptiilide rahatsivilisatsioonil on Maa hõivamisel edu olnud, pole enam palju maid kes ei allu piiblirahva maailmavaatele.
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